Legend/Myth Sengoku (Warring States in Japan)[Free Talk]

Gile cuy.......... ade juga akhirnya thread ini (baru baca sich...)


thanx berat nih, jadi nambah ilmu sedikit banyak tentang sejarah jepun...


klo pilih tokoh sih masih Musashi pilihan gw... vote for him

 

Bahas Shimazu dong.
Dia kan ikut Ishida, tapi kok gak diberantas sama Ieyasu?
Curang tuh, masa Sanada dibantai, tapi Shimazu nggak

 

Kenapa Shimazu gak diberantas?

Soalnya pas perang Sekigahara berlangsung Shimazu cuma diem aja bersama 1500 pasukannya, ini karena Shimazu Yoshihiro merasa tidak dianggap oleh Ishida Mitsunari berhubung semua usulnya untuk menyerang dengan serangan malam (night raid) ditolak oleh Mitsunari.

Walau begitu pasukan Tokugawa dengan 30.000 orang tetap mengepung Shimazu (mereka tidak tahu Shimazu tidak berniat berperang lagi). Marah dengan keadaan ini Yoshihiro berniat untuk langsung menyerang brutal ke arah Tokugawa tetapi dihentikan oleh Toyohisa. Akhirnya Yoshihiro dan pasukannya mendobrak ke arah berlawanan dengan tujuan untuk melarikan diri. Usaha melarikan diri mereka sukses mencederai Ii Naomasa (seorang general kuat Tokugawa) tetapi Toyohisa dan banyak pasukannya meninggal. Yoshihiro sukses kembali ke Satsuma dengan kapal.

Ieyasu akhirnya tahu mengapa Shimazu tidak melawan dan karena ini mereka diizinkan tetap berkuasa di daerahnya dan dianggap diampuni. Walau begitu pada tahun 1619 Yoshihiro bunuh diri (seppuku), kemungkinan besar ini karena ia malu telah kalah, walau penyebab sebenarnya tidak diketahui jelas.

 

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di SW2 gw si yoshihiro tu char gw yg paling kuat, malah ngalahin si tadakatsu..
tapi gerakan nya lemot banget

eh btw ada yg tau kisah nya oichi ga? salah satu cewe fave gw di SW tu

 

Di SW2 dari statistik ama role paling kuat tetep Tadakatsu Honda, mungkin di game lu Yoshihiro jadi lebih kuat karena level lebih tinggi / growth lebih bagus. Terkuat kedua di SW2 Keiji Maeda, tapi gerakannya lebi lemot dari Tadakatsu.

Oichi itu adiknya Nobunaga, dia menikah dengan Katsuie Shibata kemudian dipaksa untuk menikahi Nagamasa. Sewaktu nagamasa K.O dia kembali menikahi Katsuie. Sewaktu Katsuie terdesak ia bunuh diri mengajak serta Oichi istrinya.

 

btw SW2 di PC ga ada toshiie maeda yg senjata nya dual spear+pedang kek yg di SW Xtreme Legends ya? <- kok jadi ngomongin game sih

oh ya urutan peristiwa2 terkenal selama sengoku tu :
pemberontakan nobunaga -> tragedi honnoji -> toyotomi nyatuin jepang -> toyotomi wafat, jepang kebagi jadi western sama eastern army -> battle of sekigahara -> tokugawa jadi shogun. bener ga?
CMIIW

 

Ngomongin gamenya gapapa kok... kan masih ada hubungannya ama Sengoku.

Di SW2 biasa Toshiie Maeda emang belum ada, dia baru muncul di SW2 Extreme Legends ama Warriors Orochi 2. Karakter lain yang baru ada di game tersebut : Katsuie Shibata (ganti senjata+move), Kojiro Sasaki (ganti senjata+move), Gracia (putri Mitsuhide), Toshiie Maeda, Motochika Chosokabe (salah satu Daimyo kuat), Yoshimoto Imagawa.

Urutan peristiwanya bener kok, cuman Toyotomi 'secara sah' dianggap belum pernah (sempat...) menyatukan Jepang berhubung ia tidak menjadi Shogun dan masih menyisakan beberapa tempat yang belum dikuasai sepenuhnya.

 

tapi yg xtreme legends g ada di pc ya

o ya btw musashi miyamoto ama kojiro sasaki tu berpihak ke mana sih? kok kaya nya di SW ga jelas gitu..

 

Mereka si ga berpihak kemana2....

Status mereka ahli pedang, bukan officer. Ada si gosip kalau Musashi Miyamoto sebenernya pernah ikut perang Sekigahara (pihak Mitsunari) dan dia membantai cukup banyak orang sebelum akhirnya kabur dari medan perang dengan selamat, tapi hal ini tidak didukung bukti fakta yang kuat.

Seperti yang semua udah tau Musashi dan Kojiro adalah rival sejati. Tentu saja di akhir pemenangnya Musashi

Btw Kojiro di SW2 XL keren loh move-nya... bisa summon pedang dari nether world gitu.

 

menurut gw sih ga OOT, karena mereka berpartisipasi juga di sengoku..

A legend says that Yukimura had ten heroes who took an active role at the battles of Osaka Castle. They were called the Sanada Ten Braves (真田十勇士, Sanada Jūyūshi), a group of ninja, and consisted of the following members:
* Sarutobi Sasuke
* Kirigakure Saizo
* Miyoshi Seikai
* Miyoshi Isa
* Anayama Kosuke
* Unno Rokuro
* Kakei Juzo
* Nezu Jinpachi
* Mochizuki Rokuro
* Yuri Kamanosuke

 

Takeda Shingen (1532-1573) "The Tiger of Kai"
VS
Uesugi Kenshin (1530-1578) "The Dragon of Echigo"


Battle of Kawanakajima (5 round)
The first battle
In the First Battle of Kawanakajima, in June of 1553, Takeda Shingen penetrated far into the Kawanakajima plain, his vanguard encountering the forces of Uesugi Kenshin at a shrine to Hachiman. They disengaged, and met up again a few

The second battle
In 1555, the second battle of Kawanakajima, also known as the Battle of Saigawa, began when Takeda Shingen returned to Kawanakajima, advancing up to the Sai River. He made camp on a hill to the south of the river, while Uesugi Kenshin was camped just east of the Zenko-ji temple, which provided him an excellent view of the plain. However, the Kurita clan, allies of the Takeda, held Asahiyama fortress a few kilometers to the west; they menaced the Uesugi right flank. Kurita Kakuju's defenses were bolstered by 3000 Takeda warriors.

Kenshin launched a number of attacks against the Asahiyama fortress, but all were repulsed. Eventually he moved his army onto the plain, redirecting his attention on Takeda's main force. However, rather than attacking, both armies waited, for months, for the other to make a move. Finally, battle was avoided as both leaders retired to deal with domestic affairs in their home provinces.

The third battle
The third battle took place in 1557 when Takeda Shingen captured a fortress called Katsurayama, overlooking the Zenkoji temple from the north-west. He then attempted to take Iiyama castle, but withdrew after Uesugi Kenshin led an army out of Zenkoji.

The fourth battle
The fourth battle resulted in greater casualties for both sides, as a percentage of total forces, than any other battle in the Sengoku Period, and is one of the most tactically interesting battles of the period as well. In September of 1561, Uesugi Kenshin left his Kasugayama fortress with 18,000 warriors, determined to destroy Takeda Shingen. He left some of his forces at Zenkoji, but took up a position on Saijoyama, a mountain to the west of, and looking down upon, Shingen's Kaizu castle. To Kenshin's unknowing, the Kaizu castle contained no more than 150 samurai, and their followers, and he had taken them completely by surprise. However, the general in command of the castle, Kosaka Danjo Masanobu, through a system of signal fires, informed his lord, in Tsutsujigasaki fortress, 130 km away in Kōfu, of Kenshin's move.

Shingen left Kōfu with 16,000 men, acquiring 4,000 more as he traveled through Shinano Province, approaching Kawanakajima on the west bank of the Chikumagawa (Chikuma River), keeping the river between him and Saijoyama. Neither army made a move, knowing that victory would require the essential element of surprise. Shingen was thus allowed into his fortress at Kaizu along with his gun-bugyō (army commissioner), Yamamoto Kansuke. At such a present time, Kansuke formed a strategy that he believed would prove of effect against Kenshin.

Kōsaka Danjo Masanobu left Kaizu with 8,000 men, advancing up Saijoyama under cover of night, intending to drive Kenshin's army down to the plain where Takeda Shingen would be waiting with another 8,000 men in kakuyoku, or "crane's wing", formation. However, whether via spies in Kaizu or scouts looking down from Saijoyama, Kenshin guessed Shingen's intentions, and led his own men down to the plain. Kenshin descended from Saijoyama by its western flanks. Instead of fleeing Kosaka's dawn attack, Uesugi Kenshin's army crept down the mountain, quietly using bits of cloth to deaden the noise of the horse's hooves. With the beginning of dawn, Shingen's men found Kenshin's army ready to charge at them—as opposed to fleeing from the mountain, as expected.

Uesugi's forces attacked in waves, in a "Kuruma Gakari" formation, in which every unit is replaced by another as it becomes weary or destroyed. Leading the Uesugi vangaurd was one of Uesugi's Twenty-Eight Generals, Kakizaki Kageie. Kakizaki's unit of mounted samurai clashed into Takeda Nobushige's unit, resulting in the unfortunate loss of Nobushige. While the Kakuyoku formation held surprisingly well, the Takeda commanders eventually fell, one by one. Seeing that his pincer plan had failed, Yamamoto Kansuke charged alone into the mass of Uesugi samurai, suffering upwards of 80 bullet wounds before retiring to a nearby hill and committing seppuku.

Eventually, the Uesugi forces reached the Takeda command post, and one of the most famous single combats in Japanese history ensued. Uesugi Kenshin himself burst into the headquarters, attacking Takeda Shingen who, unprepared for such an event, parried with his signalling fan as best as he could, and held Kenshin off long enough for one of his retainers, Hara Osumi-no-Kami, to spear Kenshin's mount and drive him off.

The Takeda main body held firm, despite fierce rotating attacks by the Uesugi. Obu Saburohei fought back against Kakizaki's samurai. Anayama Nobukumi destroyed Shibata of Echigo, and forced the Uesugi main force back to the Chikumigawa.

Meanwhile, Kosaka's stealth force reached the top of Saijoyama and, finding the Uesugi position deserted, hurried down the mountain to the ford, taking the same path they had expected the fleeing Uesugi to take. After desperate fighting, they punched their way through the 3000 Uesugi warriors defending the ford (under the command of Uesugi general, Amakazu Kagemochi), and pressed on to aid Takeda's main force. The Kosaka force then attacked the retreating Uesugi from the rear. Takeda Shingen's many great generals, including his younger brother Takeda Nobushige and great uncle Murozumi Torasada were killed in the field.

In the end, the Uesugi army suffered around 3000 losses, while the Takeda had about 4000 casualties. The chronicles seem to indicate that the Takeda made no effort to stop the Uesugi from retreating after the battle, burning the encampment at Saijoyama, returning to Zenkoji, and then to Echigo Province.

The fifth battle
In 1564, Shingen and Kenshin met for the fifth and final time on the plain of Kawanakajima. Their forces skirmished for 60 days, and then both withdrew.

sori kalo copas, mau diterjemahin sih, tapi panjang jadi males

 

kalo aja 2 tokoh diatas cepet matinya, sejarah pasti berubah..

 

Bicara Soal Shingen ama Kenshin mah gimana yaaaa~

Bahkan Nobunaga pasti kesulitan kalo lawannya semacam 2 biji ini

Tokugawa jangan ditanya, dia kalah cukup mudah pas lawan Shingen
Buat Bodyguard Yukimura paling terkenal adalah Sasuke Sarutobi, bahkan nama Sasuke jadi karakter utama Naruto dan Sarutobi jadi nama Hokage ketiga di seri yang sama.

 

yup, Tokugawa kalah dari Shingen..

Nobunaga juga dengan mudah kalah dari Kenshin..
sayangnya Kenshin meninggal terlalu cepat..

Starting in the year 1576, Kenshin began to consider the issue of Oda Nobunaga, who had since grown to be Japan's most powerful warlord of the time. With both Takeda Shingen and Hōjō Ujiyasu dead, Kenshin was no longer blocked off from this realm of expansion. So, when the death of a Noto lord in the area sparked up confusion and conflict, Kenshin was quick to use the opportunity, taking land from the weakened clan which put him in a position to threaten Nobunaga and his allies. In response, Nobunaga pulled together his own forces and those of two of his generals to meet Kenshin at Tedorigawa. Nobunaga sent forth Shibata Katsuie (柴田勝家), one of his best generals, who served Nobunaga since the beginning. According to some accounts, Shibata led 18,000 men into battle first, and Nobunaga himself followed up with 20,000 reinforcements. If this information is accurate, it would make the battle between the two one of the largest fought in the Sengoku period.

Despite Nobunaga's overwhelming numbers, Kenshin managed to score a solid victory on the field, and Nobunaga pulled back to Ōmi Province while Kenshin contented himself with building a few forts in Kaga Province before returning back to Echigo province. In the winter of 1577-1578, Uesugi Kenshin arranged to put forth a grand army to continue his assaults into Nobunaga's land. However, he was reported to be in horrid health during this time, and on April 9 he suffered a type of seizure while using the lavatory. He died four days later.

His death poem was 「四十九年一睡の夢 一期の栄華一盃の酒」。"Forty Nine Years; One night's dream. A life time of prosperity; a cup of sake." (These 49 years of my life felt like one fleeting dream. The glory and prosperity of my life was as good as a single cup of sake.)

 

tokoh yg paling gw hormati adalah
yukimura sanada di susul dengan nobunaga oda
tp sayang di assasinate ma mitsuhide
but kok gambarin wujud tokohnya dari game SW

 

Vote buat Yukimura Sanada n Tadakatsu Honda

2 orang yg plg gw suka dari era sengoku jidai

 

yang gw sayang kan itu Date Masamune..
dia muncul di akhir2 era sengoku..
jadi ga terlalu major..
padahal kuat n pinter..

 

Kuat ama pinter sih iya, tapi pada akhirnya juga ia tidak lagi berhasrat untuk menguasai Jepang. Walaupun banyak yang mengakui kemampuannya (termasuk Toyotomi) tapi ia sendiri di akhirnya tidak melakukan langkah untuk menjadi no.1 di Jepang.

Kurang berani mungkin?....

Spoiler: hiiii

kabur sebelum ditimpukin fans Masamune

 

ya jelas lah..
di jamannya dia, Toyotomi uda punya wilayah yang luas..
susah kalo lawannya uda kaya gitu..