Discussion Poirot vs Holmes

[h=1]Hercule Poirot[/h]

Spoiler: Poirot

Hercule Poirot is Agatha Christie's greatest creation, many say. One of the most famous detectives in all fiction, he was created in 1916 (when Agatha Christie penned the first novel The Mysterious Affair at Styles). The Belgian detective appeared in 33 novels and 65 short stories and is the only fictional character to be honored with a front page obituary on The New York Times.
Poirot likes things in an orderly manner (ie, books arranged on a shelf according to height) and approves of symmetry everywhere (residence Whitehaven Mansions is picked because of its symmetry). He despises dust and unclean homes and favors the indoors (especially central heating in the winter). Poirot also values method--to him the greatest method or tool in solving crime is using the "gray cells" of the brain. He derides such methods as examing footprints, collecting cigarette ash, searching for clues with a magnifying glass, or taking fingerprints. He says any crime can be solved with simply placing the puzzle pieces correctly. He is an armchair detective-- he has to simply "sit still in an armchair and think".
Of course, Poirot's mustache is as famous as his "little gray cells". He has pride is his luscious, waxed black mustache and is always meticulously dressed down to his patent leather shoes.


[h=1]Poirot's Profile[/h][h=3]Vitals[/h]AGE: Unknown at death (learn more about his age)
BORN: Belgium
DIED: Styles Court, Essex, England
MARITAL STATUS: Never married, was passionately attached to Countess Vera Rosakoff
OCCUPATION: Private Detective, based in London, England
RESIDENCE: 28 Whitehaven Mansions, London (56B in the TV series)
TELEPHONE: Trafalgar 8137
VALET: George
SECRETARY: Felicity Lemon
LAWYERS: McNeil and Hodgson, London
[h=3]Allies[/h]Captain Arthur Hastings
Inspector James Japp
Ariadne Oliver
Colonel Johnny Race
Superintendent Battle
Superintendent Bert Spence
Mr. Goby
Joseph Aarons
Mr. Satterthwaite
Dr. John Stillingfleet
Colin Lamb
Achille Poirot
[h=3]Quotes[/h]"I do not approve of murder."
"I belong to the world."
"It is the brain, the little gray cells on which one must rely. One must seek the truth within--not without."
"I can assure you, mademoiselle, that where money is concerned I am strictly a man of business."
"I cannot, truly I cannot, sit in a chair all day reflecting how truly admirable I am."
"I, who have undoubtedly the finest brain in Europe at present, can afford to be magnanimous!"
"It is my weakness, it has always been my weakness, to desire to show off."
"Mon ami, what will you? You fix upon me a look of doglike devotion and demand of me a pronouncement a la Sherlock Holmes!"
"It would be most unwise on your part to attempt to silence me as you silenced M. Ackroyd. That kind of business does not succeed against Hercule Poirot, you understand."
"If one partakes of the five o'clock, one does not approach the dinner with the proper quality of expectant gastric juices. And the dinner, let us remember, is the supreme meal of the day!"
"It shows you, Madame, the dangers of conversation. It is a profound belief of mine that if you can induce a person to talk to you for long enough, on any subject whatever, sooner or later they will give themselves away."
"You have the mistaken idea implanted in your head that a detective is necessarily a man who puts on a false beard and hides behind a pillar! The false beard, it is vieux jeu, and shadowing is only done by the lowest branch of my profession. The Hercule Poirots, my friend, need only to sit back in a chair and think."
"Eh bien, since you are too stupid to guess, I will tell you. I am human, am I not? I can be the machine if it is necessary. I can lie back and think. I can solve the problems so. But I am human, I tell you. And the problems concern human beings."
[h=3]Description[/h]He stands 5 feet, 4 inches tall, has green eyes, and an egg-shaped head (which he perches to one side). He has the blackest of hair (he is known to use dye), and his black waxed moustache is perfection. His friend Hastings wrote that Poirot had a limp when he walked. He always wears patent leather shoes and is always neatly dressed with the finest of clothing.
The famous sleuth loves the finer things of life and luxury, including exotic drinks (he loves sirop de cassis), exotic locales, excellent served food, the theatre and other arts, and very comfortable hotel rooms. He loves the indoors and avoids extreme weather whenever possible. Poirot loathes dirt and disarray, and favors order, method, and symmetry (Whitehaven Mansions is symmetrical, his eggs for breakfast always need to be the same size, and even the books on his bookshelf are arranged by height!).
He finds English habits and humor incomprehensible. However, Poirot has an excellent command of the English language and at times uses his "foreignness" as an advantage. He has a big ego, and always takes for granted that everyone recognizes his name. He doesn't take just any case that comes his way, however, and he freely admits that he's fond of money. He even has a chauffeur, a young man who earns a "handsome salary", who drives Poirot's Messarro Gratz, a large and expensive luxury car. Poirot is kind and courteous to those who are not criminals, and is especially sympathetic to young ladies (when talking to them, he refers to himself as "Papa Poirot"). Poirot is known to also be impatient, opinionated, and direct with others.

The Belgian detective states the greatest tool for crime solving is the mind, thanks to the "little grey cells". He prefers to sit quietly and think when he solves crimes, for he believes all crimes are psychological and having clues is not everything. Although his belief is that crime is not solved on evidence alone, he's not above snooping into others' personal things (much to the chagrin of his friend Hastings): he has been known to listen at doors, hide behind curtains, and even dig in womens' underwear drawers.

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Sherlock Holmes

Spoiler: Holmes

Holmes's Profile

Vitals

AGE: Unknown at death (learn more about his age)
BORN: England
DIED: Unknown
MARITAL STATUS: Never married, was passionately attached to Irene Adler (she was the only woman to ever best him at anything. He respected her intellect, but had no romantic inclinations toward her and we never hear of her again)
OCCUPATION: Consulting Detective, based in London, England
RESIDENCE: 221B Baker Street, London
TELEPHONE: Dunno
VALET: Dunno
SECRETARY: Dunno
LAWYERS: Dunno

Allies

Dr. Watson
Mycroft Holmes
Baker Street Irregulars
Detective Inspector Greg Lestrade
Sergeant Sally Donovan
Philip Anderson
Tobias Gregson
Stanley Hopkins
Athelney (or Peter) Jones
All four of Scotland Yard
Francois Le Villard
Mrs. Hudson
Molly Hooper
Mary Morstan
Bill Wiggins
Sarah Sawyer

Quotes

"My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know."
―"The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle"
"The air of London is sweeter for my presence."
―"The Final Problem"
"My brain has always governed my heart."
―The Sign of Four
"Love is an emotional thing, and whatever is emotional is opposed to that true cold reason which I place above all things. I should never marry myself, lest I bias my judgment."
―The Sign of Four
"A man always finds it hard to realise that he may have finally lost a woman's love, however badly he may have treated her."
―"The Adventure of the Musgrave Ritual"
"When a woman thinks that her house is on fire, her instinct is at once to rush to the thing which she values most. . . A married woman grabs at her baby; an unmarried one reaches for her jewel box."
―"A Scandal in Bohemia"
"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact."
―"The Boscombe Valley Mystery"
"You can...never foretell what any one man will do, but you can say with precision what an average number will be up to. Individuals vary, but percentages remain constant."
―The Sign of Four
"Education never ends, Watson. It is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last."
―"The Adventure of the Red Circle"
"You see, but you do not observe."
―"A Scandal in Bohemia"
"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
―"The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier" [note 1]
"I never make exceptions. An exception disproves the rule."
―The Sign of Four
"Come at once if convenient if inconvenient come all the same."
―"The Adventure of the Creeping Man"
""I am inclined to think" said I. "I should do so," Sherlock Holmes remarked, impatiently."
―The Valley of Fear
"Should I ever marry, Watson, I should hope to inspire my wife with some feeling which would prevent her from being walked off by a housekeeper when my corpse was lying within a few yards of her."
―The Valley of Fear

Description

Sherlock Holmes (Benedict Cumberbatch) describes himself initially as "a consulting detective, the only one in the world," helping out Scotland Yard when they are out of their depth with cases (usually homicides). He appears as a tall, thin man with dark, curly hair. Like the original character, Sherlock is able to deduce or abduce information from the small details.

Sherlock has a very unusual personality, and describes himself in the first episode "A Study in Pink," as a "high-functioning sociopath," a term he insists on in subsequent episodes. Others call him a "psychopath" and in "The Hounds of Baskerville," John tells Greg Lestrade that Sherlock has Asperger Syndrome. This manifests itself in very poor people skills, and extremely rude manners to everyone he deals with. He is however skilled at coercing people to help him, by mostly playing on their weaknesses.

Sherlock seems to care more about the crimes than about the victims involved. He is rude and inconsiderate towards others, including John (often leaving him behind and asking him to do menial, domestic tasks such as shopping). However, Sherlock is shown to care deeply for John as the series progresses, showing uncharacteristic emotion when his friend's life is in jeopardy or when John comes to his aid. He even admits that saying Mary deserves John as a husband is the highest compliment he can give. He considers only three people as his friends: John Watson, Mrs Hudson, and DI Greg Lestrade, whose first name he nonetheless repeatedly gets wrong. The only other person he seems to trust fully is Molly Hooper, as seen in "The Reichenbach Fall". However, he is not above insulting them: "What is it like in your funny little brains, it must be so boring," and "Is it nice not being me? It must be so relaxing." He also has an extremely complex relationship with his brother Mycroft, his only intellectual equal. Mycroft, from the outset, is shown to care and worry deeply for his little brother whilst at the same time sharing a mix of mutual contempt and respect. Sherlock seems to have grown more fond of his brother as the stories progress, even pleading with Mycroft to attend John and Mary's wedding so he wouldn't have to endure it alone.

Sherlock appears largely asexual and describes himself as "married to his work". He seems oblivious to the romantic attraction that forensic pathologist Molly Hooper has for him, but sometimes uses this to his advantage if it assists him in a case. After the introduction of Irene Adler, Sherlock seems to have some interest in Irene and comes to her rescue. She frequently flirts with and texts Sherlock in "A Scandal in Belgravia," but he seldom responds. In the following series, Sherlock briefly has a mental image of her in his Mind Palace when thinking of who would know John's middle name, but quickly retorts "Get out of my head, I'm busy." In Series 3 he is briefly in a relationship with Janine; however, this is later revealed to be a ruse to gain information on her boss.

Sherlock has considerable fighting ability, fighting off a man armed with a sword using his bare hands in "The Blind Banker." In "A Scandal in Belgravia," he disarms and incapacitates a CIA agent on two separate occasions.

He knows London's streets and alleys extremely well; in "A Study in Pink", he quickly figures out what route a cab would take and plans a route to beat it to its destination. In "The Empty Hearse", Sherlock works out which paths to take to shave time off the countdown to save John. He has strange connections, including a graffiti artist, as well as the entire network of the homeless (whom he uses as his "eyes and ears"). In solving cases, Sherlock uses a technique known as the Method of Loci, which he calls his "mind palace," which enables him to efficiently store and retrieve information and make deductions. Initially the mind palace appears as a series of assorted facts that appear on the screen when a scene is shown from Sherlock's point of view. In Series 3, the mind palace became a very elaborate construction where other characters from the series discuss Sherlock's cases with him.

Sherlock has violent mood swings when there are no cases that interest him. He is once seen stretched out on his chair and firing a gun at a smiley face spray-painted on the wall in his flat. He finds smoking impractical in present-day urban London and, therefore, mostly makes do with nicotine patches. He may apply three patches at the same time when it is a "three patch problem", implying the nicotine helps him to think. For the same reason, he plays the violin and even composes music from time to time. Sherlock also has a history of recreational drug use.

Trying to avoid getting his face taken in pictures, Sherlock disguises it with a deerstalker. This becomes his trademark, much to his annoyance as he greatly dislikes the hat. However, he seems to have accepted it since he puts one on before greeting the press about his miraculous return in "The Empty Hearse".


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Sawachika

 

Ayo2 dipilih2


Saya lbih prefer ke Poirot
Kumisnya ituloh

Little gray cellsnya tiada tanding deh


Holmes mah manner ma atiitudenya jg -
Rasis pula



Sawachika

 

Duh, ga baca bukunya agatha christie
Jadi aku lebih prefer holmes daripada poirot, terutama pas di jadiin movie lumayan keren

 

Iyalah pake reason
Pake 'season' dikit ga papa sih

Hadeuh neng
Holmes itu aseksual
Biseks malahan
Masih dbilang keren aj




Sawachika

 

aku lebih fokus ke kasusnya sih bang
mungkin kudu nonton dulu adaptasinya poirot biar suka..
biasanya suka di movie baru ke buku sih aku

 

Aslinya sih Holmes tukang nyandu jg
Klo ga ada kasus biasa ngerem nyuntik kokain dia

Terkadang suka ngemanip orang lain jg
Bneran deh nih orang klo kpeleset dikit aj bukan main kriminilnya
Pernah baca kuotnya dia yg bilang sendiri tpi lupa di buku mana


Minusnya lg
Klo Holmes buat nyelidikin sesuatu kudu olah TKP langsung


Poirot engga
Cukup lihat bukti/denger kesaksian
Dipikir pake little grey cellsnya
Voila kasus terpecahkan
Unbeaten


Klo soal movie ma seri TV ato radio sama2 populer
Dua2nya sama sih sebenernya
Cuma bt gen 2000an Poirot blum diangkat aj ke layar lebar
Movie Holmes ke3 jg mandeg
Jujur klo dilanjut bingung mau nyeritain palagi secara Moriarty dah langsung diumbar ampe langsung ending tewas gtu




Sawachika

 

Klo pribadi lbh milih Poirot, walau baru baca beberapa buku dan itupun campur kasus sama miss maple dan harley quin

dari segi penyampaian cerita kadang holmes itu mengolah data yg waktu itu dia aja yg liat/sadar macam jejak sapi, tanda di tembok, baju orang yg pembaca baru tahu setelah holmes sendiri yg bilang gitu

klo poirot seringan kita diajak dengar kasus dari orang lain dan dia menyimpulkan dari apa yg udah diceritain. bahkan kadang ada hal kecil macam ada orang yg mungut sesuatu pas masuk di TKP diceritain dan belakangan sekali baru dibahas

jadi klo baca holmes kesannya "oh, bisa gitu toh" dan klo baca poirot kesannya "oh, iya juga ya..."

 

Yoa om Djoh

Christie stylenya ngajak pembaca bt ikutan mikir
Jdi pas baca kita tertantang bt ikut mecahin kasusnya


Poirot lebih care pula sama korban kasusnya
Sementara Holmes tampak careless fokus ma cases aj


Klo Holmes diibaratakan bisa ngerangkai kejadian selanjutnya dari data yg ada
(Kaya yg di movie smacam flash back tpi rangkain kejadian yg blum tapi kemungkinan bakalan terjadi)


Sementara Poirot lebih dari itu
Dia bisa nyusun 'puzzle' dari hal2 terkecil n simple skalipun yg ga terduga
Ampe komplit jadi seakan2 dia dari awal tahu n nyaksiin sendiri pristiwanya

Ga butuh doping pula bt mikir



Sawachika

 

Soal genius wajar nyandu dri mana dasarnya itu
Yg ada zaman dulu (akhir abad 19) konsumsi candu heroin/kokain umum
Soalnya masih legal di Inggris
Ampe Inggris ngekspor ke Tiongkok yg nyulut pemebrontakan Boxer


Dan candu jg ga pengaruh ke kinerja otak lebih baik justru memperburuk efeknya
Yg rada bener gula kayak L di Death Note
Scara bt mikir emang butuh asupan gula cukup banyak bt diolah jadi energi

Candu sekedar menakn syaraf bt lebih rileks (sementara)
Aslinya bukan bkin tambah semangat justru lesu


Karena biasa jadi ga spesial

Holmes berkesan lbih ke forensik jadinya klo banyakan bergelut ngolah TKP mulu dripada detektif ulung



Sawachika

 

Pass.

Saya milih Ushorumiya Battler aja deh

Sebenarnya kalau yg blum baca Poirot, bisa diumpakan dari dua manga detektif.

Holmes bisa diwakili Conan, sedangkan Poirot itu kindaichi.

Dan liatlah Conan sekarang kyk apa, bandingkan dengan kindaichi.

Dari segi alur cerita, trik dsb lho. Bukan dari charanya



Ya, saya milih Kindaichi lha

Klo conan a.k.a sherlock sama aja, kita nggak pernah ditantang untuk mikir

Tiba-tiba gini, tiba-tiba gitu

Banyak kasus di sherlock yang awalnya watson yang nyelidiki, pas di ending tau2 sherlock yang cuman duduk seharian manggil pelakunya ke rumah Baru dari pas manggil pelakunya dijelasin kenapa ini pelakunya, dsb. Jadi pembaca jg wtf

 

Waduh perumpaannya malah pake bawa2 Conan entuh sgala lagi
Bahaya klo ngeritisin Conan mah ntar
Antagonisnya ae dah


Klo dri sisi antagonisnya jg sama itu
Conan x Black Cape Organization = Holmes x Moriarty
Gajes orangnya yg mana ampe akhir cuma dbilang kriminil paling berbahaya sedunia
Ga nunjukin diri ngendaliin orang + bikin organisasi jg


Kindaichi x Hell Puppeter = Poirot x Norton
Ini kriminil secara langsung bukan tpi die yg nanemin ma ngedorong rasa kriminil dalam diri seseorang
Seorang pencuci otak skaligus planner terbaik tanpa turut campur dalam aksi kejahatan langsung
Poirot aj hopeless gmana cara bt yeret die ke tiang gantungan
Smentara Kindaichi berhubung manga jdi Takatonya dbuat ngebunuh 'bonekanya' klo gagal jalanin skenarionya
Klo tanpa sett seperti itu hopeless jg bt dihukum



Sawachika

 

Kalau soal jiplak menjiplak kayanya ga bakalan terhindarkan
Langsung maupun ga langsung jg
Toh sedari awal mereka (para authornya) ngakuin klo itu 2 jadi salah satu referensi
Dan emang klo bkin karya detektif rasanya agak sulit jg ngelepasin dari pengaruh itu 2tokoh detektif
Scara pasti yg demen detektif baca n suka Poirot ma Holmes


Soal Tirai 'begitu' ya
Well stidaknya ga kaya Doyle yg ngebunuh Holmes seenaknya
Trus akhirnya dgn stengah hati pula dbangkitin lg
After all Christie lbih dkenal dalam bereksperimen mengenai gaya pnulisan dan penyampaian ceritanya
Jdi inget The Big Four yg dah kaya James Bond aj




Sawachika